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Gabriele
6-Apr-2006
[599]
petr: the "proper" way is to link to gtk or qt. you know, there's 
no gui standard there... the only thing you can take for granted 
on GNU/Linux is the linux kernel and the GNU utilities.
Kaj
6-Apr-2006
[600]
Unless of course you encounter unexpected kernel modifications or 
BusyBox or things like that :-)
Cyphre
7-Apr-2006
[601]
yep, the main problem of doing things "properly" in Linux/BSD is 
that there is usually no standard way ;)
DideC
20-Apr-2006
[602]
Q: How to know witch Distro I have in command line ? What is the 
command ?
Graham
20-Apr-2006
[603]
isn't there a version string?
PeterWood
20-Apr-2006
[604]
echo $OSTYPE display the "type" of OS using tsch shell. 

On a Mac it echoes darwin
Graham
20-Apr-2006
[605x2]
I have /etc/SuSe-version
$0STYPE just says linux
PeterWood
20-Apr-2006
[607x2]
Try uname -v
or uname -a for more info
Graham
20-Apr-2006
[609]
doesn't help much
yeksoon
20-Apr-2006
[610x2]
try 'ls /etc/*release
in my opinion,  'uname' is more of a standard utility  to identify 
the kernel.
Kaj
20-Apr-2006
[612]
Yup. There's no standard way to determine the distro beyond the kernel
Henrik
20-Apr-2006
[613]
kaj, which is incredibly defective IMHO :-) such as simple thing, 
so hard to do
Kaj
20-Apr-2006
[614x3]
Yep, but the way Linux distributions have evolved, it's obvious it's 
impossible and one doesn't even think about it :-/
A while ago I tried to install VMware player and it nuked my system. 
Upon investigation, it had 13,000 lines of PERL script for installation 
and configuration. The major part of that was to identify the system 
parts versions and condition...
Each mature Unix application carries around a similar configuration 
system
Henrik
20-Apr-2006
[617]
it's insane. which is why I'm moving away from linux as a dev system
Kaj
20-Apr-2006
[618x2]
I'm moving towards it :-)
I'm making a few mods, though. Like, redesigning the entire system 
;-)
Henrik
20-Apr-2006
[620]
ah, another distro basically? :-)
Maxim
20-Apr-2006
[621]
I love linux cause its so well designed, in order to use it, you 
have to fix everything.
Kaj
20-Apr-2006
[622]
Yup, but deeper than that
Henrik
20-Apr-2006
[623]
and now we have freedesktop.org and other standards organizations. 
I think basically it's like shoveling crap uphill. I wonder if it 
will get anywhere.
Kaj
20-Apr-2006
[624]
It's an improvement, but as you suspect, far from ideal
Henrik
20-Apr-2006
[625]
I think the Ubuntu guys are doing a good job. the problem is that 
there are 20 other organizations that are almost doing the same jobs. 
it's an incredible waste of time and effort.
Maxim
20-Apr-2006
[626]
I think we should take AROS and change its name.
Kaj
20-Apr-2006
[627]
Well, there's exchange of work. The theory in open source is that 
a certain amount of duplication of work is accepted, because there 
are many volunteers. What bothers me more is that the resulting products 
are so bad
Maxim
20-Apr-2006
[628]
maybe  ARIX  and say its based on linux but everything was fixed 
  ;-D
Henrik
20-Apr-2006
[629]
the products are bad because there is no focus or leader with strong 
visions. it happens occasionally, such as with the XGL desktop work 
done by Novell. They flat out stated that it would have sucked to 
do it among the community. Yet the community responded negatively, 
because the work was not initially shared.


sometimes I think they just can't see that the cathedral model of 
development can be much better if design is very critical. this is 
the biggest gripe I have with open source.
Maxim
20-Apr-2006
[630]
it sucks because those with the vision can only do so much on their 
time.  although everyone is happy to say free things are great, free 
things aren't worth any $$ and thus, you get none to feed your children 
when you work on them.
Kaj
20-Apr-2006
[631]
That's not how open source is financed
Maxim
20-Apr-2006
[632]
depends on the projects.
Kaj
20-Apr-2006
[633x3]
Exactly
Ironically, our cathedral-designed Syllable project is a full volunteer 
effort
Funding comes from companies, who all want some influence for it, 
so you get a bazaar model
Maxim
20-Apr-2006
[636]
what happens when 2 companies want the opposite feature?
Kaj
20-Apr-2006
[637]
The community decides. That's the nicest part of it, a certain fairness
Graham
21-Apr-2006
[638x2]
how does one start up in level 3 and not level 5 ?
I can type init 3 once I'm in 5 ...
yeksoon
21-Apr-2006
[640]
look under /etc/rc.d/rc5.d

that will be the folder for level 5 stuffs
Volker
21-Apr-2006
[641x2]
something in /etc/inittab, but in my deb it only says
# The default runlevel.
id:2:initdefault:
seems the 2 in that line sets the level. http://www.linuxfibel.de/booten.htm
(german).
Graham
21-Apr-2006
[643x2]
http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse91/suselinux-adminguide/html/ch13s05.html
yes, looks like. initdefault
Oldes
28-Apr-2006
[645x2]
Guess what software Osama Bin Laden uses on his laptop?

http://shelleytherepublican.com/2006/04/linux-european-threat-to-our-computers.html
:-)
JaimeVargas
28-Apr-2006
[647]
I can believe this kind of thinking, funny though ;-)
Anton
3-May-2006
[648]
What's a good linux to install on a Pentium II 300MHz  64MB RAM  
3Gig disk ?  It's for my flatmate to browse the web.