[Linux] group for linux REBOL users
True, but can't you add what you need via apt-get or the GUI? think the GUI is called "Adept" or just "Package Manager"
The libc bits on an up-to-date "Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS (v. 3 for x86)" -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1144368 Mar 24 2004 libstdc++-2-libc6.1-1-2.9.0.so -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 426620 Mar 24 2004 libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.a -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 408440 Mar 24 2004 libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 30 Dec 22 2004 libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 -> libstdc++-2-libc6.1-1-2.9.0.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 30 Dec 22 2004 libstdc++-libc6.2-2.a.3 -> libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.a lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Dec 22 2004 libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 -> libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Dec 22 2004 libstdc++.so.2.7.2 -> libstdc++.so.184.108.40.206 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1025339 Mar 24 2004 libstdc++.so.220.127.116.11 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Dec 22 2004 libstdc++.so.2.8 -> libstdc++.so.2.8.0 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 375773 Mar 24 2004 libstdc++.so.2.8.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Dec 22 2004 libstdc++.so.2.9 -> libstdc++.so.2.9.dummy -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5428 Mar 24 2004 libstdc++.so.2.9.dummy lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Sep 29 18:51 libstdc++.so.5 -> libstdc++.so.5.0.3 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 709456 Jul 19 2005 libstdc++.so.5.0.3
Im pretty sure it is up to version 4 by now though
Brian, I did. That's were the current rebol-ubuntu came from. Problem is, it does not seem that standard. Most of the Linux boxes here won't run it.
This may be a wild goose hunt. Hard to say. I'd just like to have something a bit more standard for our Linux distro.
How about Gentoo?
Carl, you can download a minimal installation CD for Debian that will install extra packages over the Internet:
Personally I would temporarily hook up a DVD drive to that machine, though
Another, easy, option would be MEPIS Linux. It's much closer to Debian than Ubuntu, although based on a newer version than the stable version. And very easy to install
Well as I said befor... Slackware and debian are the only two with unmodified lib and kernel structures.. and are great development envs...a pitty though about that dvd from debian..
Well its all abuot what your useto in using ;-)
people who startout using Ubuntu, Fedora or Redhat find themselfs In an Linux world that not even default with i.e. Disk-Structures on Tru64 or Solaris or HPUX.. while using other Linux distributions from around 1995 they stick with the UNIX system (IV|V) layout..But when it comes to development I can emagine to make a choice between "package handling" and "environment handling"... Then I would stick with debian..just has a better package manager...where slackware is a little more the "do it yourself package manager.." still 'tar does wonderful things.. for the user...
Btw... Thats why I like BSD above all ;-)
Knoppix can be installed and is is then a debian, so the rest can be apt-getted. damn small linux claims the same. Kanotix is a knoppix specially made for that. no guaratees..
Let me back up a bit. No Linux wars here please. I have about 10 different Linux distros running..
However, all the newer ones give me problems. Here is why: I used to be able to build Libc6 and Libc5, and that was all that was necessary. However, now if I build on Ubuntu and run it on Mandrake, it crashes... and every other combination.
So, I studied the situation a bit, and found that Debian is really the meat behind a lot of these distros, and someone I trust suggested that Debian made a better dev platform and would provide the perfect build standard for us.
I have every package for the current Debian release here. All 10GB of it. I do not want to download anything from the net, nor should that be necessary..
But, I do not have a DVD on the target machine, only CDROM. The distro is on DVD, so I need to create a CDROM set from the DVD.
I searched far and wide on the net, and found no info at all on how to do this. I even wrote a REBOL script as a mini Linux package manager, because boiling down 10GB to .7GB is no small task.
But, it became clear to me that the package database does not appear specific enough to be able to generate a solid set of packages in that manner.
I also built the floppy set, and figured I would use my own local Debian archivel site from a different local machine. So, mounted the DVD on one system and published it with HTTP, and the floppy boot worked, found the host, but the installer rejected the archive.
So, it was crash and burn. I have better things to do right now that screw around with Linux. So, it's on hold.
what is the problem to buy a dvd drive these days? :-) It is really cheap even here in CZ :-)
Carl, you can buy Debian for $30 at http://www.1stdebian.com/, but at that price you can also buy a DVD Drive for your target mmachine ;-)
exactly - I know Carl talks about principles ... but why to loose your time with fighting to get things stripped down to CD? I would go and bug DVD drive ....
To recap, most of the newest "user friendly" distros are based on Debian, so Debian is the common denominator for them. If you add to the list SuSE (commonly used in Europe), RedHat (and therfore Fedora), and Slackware, I would suggest to stick with these for distros and build specific version of Rebol for them...
Don't forget Mandrake --> so 5 distros
I meant Mandriva, of course ;-)
the problem is that normally a person makes a program and then multiple maintainers make sure it runs under certain distros
That's why we call this "Open Source", which is not the case for Rebol.
Yes, and look how nice open source has become these days. It is a huge mess.
Pekr: on DVD, yes I thought of that too.
In fact, I've got DVD drives sitting around here.
But, the last thing I do is start taking the hardware box apart for a simple software install problem.
That is the last option. Because, you can also have bios problems with the new DVD. I'm not sure how older bios handle it.
Carl, a suggestion: why not make an agreement with trusted Rebol/Linux users and delegate the build on specific platform. Kind of very restricted and contractuel "Open Source"?
That is more the REBOL 3.0 way.
Hybrid open source I call it.
Hum, sounds the right way for Linux...
Anyway, I will delegate this task now to someone here, and start taking the box apart. My last choice. Always.
HOS = Hampshire Ornithological Society ?
dixit Google ;-)
I fully agree Carl.. Long life the "spaggeti Open Source Community" ....Windows rules ;-) on some parts...it realy does!.... (and Im a fanatic Unix/Linux user..)..I was struggling for 2 days with my DVD drives for a simple 1-on-1 copy (none data) ..and none of the Linux packages where able to correclty copy DVD's of my format.. Jumping back to windows XP (i though ..iekss) ..seeking some obscure sites and found a hell of a tool that copy's everything.."dvd decrypter" (EOL btw but free..) And that something linux community did not build yet...Awfull.. Well im off taking care of some windows backups ;-) It still stays windows ;-)
ROS - rebol open source :-)