[Linux] group for linux REBOL users
As for OpenVPN - I don't know - it is kind of "recent" addition, as community screamed for it. There is l2tp, pptp, ppoe and I use simple pptp ....
I can give anyone demo access to my central router, to look around. My opinion simply is, that some things don't need to be entirely free, in order to be considered. And something like 30-40 USD is cool price ...
I lost the messages i was typing to you yesterday, and you know why? My internet connection does not work. Guess what is my ISP? One of those WISP that uses mikrotik for everything. Yes, I guess that means something. It means that incompetent people just damage other people's work.
the issue is not whether it's free or not. the issue is that they are REMOVING features for no reason at all. Why not just add their own windows UI (that of course it's only for windows! they could not do like anyone else and make a web interface that works everywhere...) on top of a custom linux distribution that ALSO gives you the ability to do whatever you want with it IF you know how?
My router is a debian lenny box. I'm so much happier now that the mikrotik router in the antenna is just acting as a bridge and I don't even know it's there. less crap to learn and worry about...
i will never understand why you guys always want to make things more COMPLEX instead of making them SIMPLER. place RESTRICTIONS instead of enabling FREEDOM. i just don't get it. it's extremely frustrating for me.
go read Carl's blog again about people not having a clue about the business they run. go read Chuck Moore's interview that says the same thing (complexity means that we are doomed). I can't undertand why only so few people on this planet get it - how can everyone else think that more complex is better...
Gabriele - after reading your messages, I have to say one thing - I always have great respect for your and for your knowledge, especially in regards to REBOL. But your last remarks are so completly off, that I really wish you don't mean it for real.
I think I am no willing to spend my time talking some wifi related issues with someone, who apparently does not know, what he is talking about ... talking about at all.
There is so much to the wi-fi layer to know about in praxe, that it is not even funny. There can be plenty of reasons, why your connection is crappy. First of them might be RT's provider itself. That can be checked easy enough - if your connection is not broken only for Altme, then most probably it is not RT's provider, but your connection. From there, I would check your provider. Wi-fi is NOT cable, it never will be, and the technology never claimed to be 100% problem-free. 99% of problems are NOT related to MT and its SW, believe me. The clear sight to your provider antenna, the weather, the antenna quality, pigtail quality, pigtail/calbe isolation (if water is there, the signal might drop SIGNIFICANTLY), general wi-fi signal pollution in wifi crowded area, etc. etc.
It has NOTHING to do with MT and your claims are simply false. If you are so brave, then go, and replace your bad MT with another Debian Box. I wonder, if it would make you more happy. MT is not bug-free, I never claimed anything like that. My MT suggestion was relatad exactly to the SIMPLICITY factor. You call it complex? Man - it is like you never used REBOL, right? MT brings simplicity to the wifi providing, that some other solutions are not even funny to suggest. MT Linux abstraction is like a VID dialect upon Linux - yes, it can't do everything. But I can't come-up with anything it does not do for me for 99% of my usage cases. Yes, I noticed your OpenVPN problem, not supporting UDP, and yes, it sucks, but it does not mean that MT does not serve its purpose.
The complexity vs simplicity factor can be very easily checked. My brother, who would not be absolutly able to set-up linux router, has set-up 50 MT based router nodes. We are serving 600+ ppl, with problems here or there. We have 3rd iteration of our network, having our MT backbone rock-solid. Some P2P connections are going to be replaced with 10GHz ones, becaue we know where's 5GHz limit, and we try to use the right tools for particular needs. But once again - I visited at least 5, maybe more courses, related to radios, frequencies, their correct usage, cables, antennas, with profi (lended from T-mobile) equipment, where we checked on the antennas and cables parameters, and I can tell you, that with wrong Antenna, pigtail, cable, with wrong installation, you can ruin your connection quality even down to 40%. No SW, being it MT, or Debian, or StarOS, can fix it.
So in the end - use what you are happy with. But don't try to put down publicly system, you have no deeper experience with, please, as apparently all WISP providers are happy with it (and not only them, some ppl go so far to replace Ciscos), and it might serve well to some other ppl, looking for simple yet sufficient solution for their usage case. By reading your comments, noone would probably ever considered Mikrotik, and that is all it is about - let's not create myths, where there are apparently no myths involved, and the system might work satisfactory to many ppl ...
Petr, it's NOT my connection to this world that does not world. NOTHING works. STOP talking about things you have no idea about. This has been pure crap since JUNE.
Also, PLEASE, I beg you, do *read* what I write. I never said my problems are due to mikotik. I said my problems are due to my ISP not knowing what they are doing. You said that mikrotik allows "normal" people to set up a WISP. Right, they do, and the result is that they waste MY time *because* they know nothing about this job. This was *your* claim, and it seems to be consistent with what I am seeing.
The criticism I made to RouterOS was very targeted and very simple, and you of course completely ignored it. I said two things: 1) there is absolutely no reason they had to add the stupid shell they have when you connect via SSH 2) there is no reason why what they do could not have been implemented on top of debian, or any other distribution, thus allowing people who know what they are doing to provide extra services that are beyond what's in their default configuration. That is just a stupid choice. So, most people don't care or need, and for them MT may be a good choice. That does not make them a good alternative to a linux box, neither a good alternative to Janko's problem above, and from what you say they may be even making things worse.
Also, I don't see what's so magical with Cisco that if people are replacing it then it must mean something...
oh, my third criticism to MT, 3) there is no reason why they are offering a windows-only gui instead of a web-based one like everyone else in the world.
that said, their hardware looks nice and cheap.
Gabriele - let's make a peace in the above case. I am sorry if I offended you :-)
btw: MT offers web interface, but you can't set everything with it ...
Maybe I should write Winbox in View :-)
I am not offended, I'm just sad that everytime I say something simple it gets interpreted as something big and complex that would hurt people...
Ouch, that would be bad :(
I am not offended, I'm just sad that everytime I say something simple it gets interpreted as something big and complex that would hurt people... ... :)
Yes everyone is growly and feeling unappreciated for their work ... the beta can't be too far off.
What would be the right place (diretory) to put rebol executable under linux debian?
Seems like /usr/bin
Can I create and use own icon for binary application on linux so it will be included when I distribute such an app as an archive?
hi, do you have a solution for the BROWSE problem on linux ?
a work around is to use CALL like this "call [firefox "http://www.rebol.com"]
but i don't like it !!!!!
up - i would like an another solution for BROWSE in linux - please ;-)
Claude, I have a similar solution, I redefine browse in user.r browse: funct [ url ] [ call reform [ "x-www-browser" url ]] So you can do browse http;//www.rebol.com But docs, and bugs donīt work ( you can redefine them too If you want ), but I think you don't like this solution.
thanks for your redefine solution. perhaps carl could do something about this problem
ManuM; I have browse: func [url] [call rejoin ["opera -backgroundtab " url] and that seems to work great with bugs and docs. Debian with A87 ... Although this version hangs the console until Opera exit if Opera isn't already running ...
Thank you Brian. Now seems tha "bugs" and "docs" are working with my own definition. I'm not sure when I saw they failling, may be an old version, I don't know. I have the same issue wiht Opera hangs.
Hi, any idea how to get the Word Browser from Rebol -> Tools to work on Linux? I get an error after I click a category and then a word: ** User Error: Bad face in screen pane! ** Near: show main This is using Rebol/View 220.127.116.11.2 on Arch Linux.
sounds like a font problem
Thanks for trying to help :) With font problem, do you mean something like a missing font? I got these installed: ttf-ms-fonts, ttf-dejavu, ttf-bitstream-vera, xorg-fonts-100dpi, xorg-fonts-75dpi, and xorg-fonts-misc. Any idea what kind of font would be missing for the Word Browser?
try: help font- view layout [text "test" font-fixed] view layout [text "test" font-sans-serif] view layout [text "test" font-serif]
Thanks, I tried it. No problems with any of those three, everything was displayed correctly and no errors in the console.
Try same, but with bold and underline (e.g.view layout [text "test" font-fixed bold underline])
No problems there either.
Tried italic too, just to make sure.
Probably not a font issue then. Works fine here on OSX so sounds like a Linux specific error. Does RebGUI work? (REBOL/Demos group)
Yeah works on OS X for me too, got that on my laptop. RebGUI seems to work fine, went through a few of the tabs, nothing crashed.
Let's see if anyone else on Linux has the same issue, otherwise a feedback is in order. Good find.
Yeah hopefully I can get this fixed somehow. I don't use the laptop that often and it would be nice to have the Word Browser for reference here on my desktop while learning REBOL, but the website is okay too. Thanks for your help though, much appreciated.
What do you call the "Word brother" ???