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[!AltME] Discussion about AltME

Sunanda
19-Aug-2009
[3809]
If anything traffic volumes are down in recent months:
    http://www.rebol.org/aga-display-stats.r?world=r3wp&year=2009

(figures show [web-public] groups only. It is possible private groups 
are way, way up).
Maxim
19-Aug-2009
[3810x2]
well. being an account of 10% of posts and not having posted for 
2 months... I guess I am a sizeable part of the decrease... but its 
summer, vacation time, and many of us actually have less questions 
with R3.0 than its earlier releases...  what I find strange is the 
decrease in the number of people posting...
The recent decline in non REBOL related concent, seemingly comming 
from a common accord that we should make the world more REBOL  centric... 
will have made a big difference too.
Will
19-Aug-2009
[3812]
Looks like Carl's son is working on Altme2 http://twitter.com/Sean_SAS
8)
Graham
19-Aug-2009
[3813]
Fix altme1 first!
Will
19-Aug-2009
[3814]
I'm loosing lots of posts lately.. 8(
Sunanda
20-Aug-2009
[3815]
Will -- one of the biggest AltME annoyances is that it throws away 
what you typed when it has to re-establish a server connection.

That can happen if you have dropouts on your online connection, or 
if the server is busy.

Those of us who have been plagued with the problem have learned it 
takes three keypressed to send any AltME post:
  ctrl+A ;; select all
  ctrl+c ;; copy post to clipboard
  ctrl+s ;; attempt to post
Graham
31-Aug-2009
[3816x2]
Getting kicked off multiple times today losing posts.
Has this world reached its limit?
Pekr
31-Aug-2009
[3818]
the same here. Not sure about limits, maybe server problems once 
again?
Graham
31-Aug-2009
[3819x4]
R3-alpha is okay.  Are they both on the same server?
Booted again.
Anyone interested in building an FOSS altme alternative?
I'm thinking of something that has both a VID/Ext interface and a 
browser interface
Pekr
31-Aug-2009
[3823]
Will be done in R3. R3 Chat system is said to use similarities to 
AltME system, just more robust. It just needs GUI client ...
Graham
31-Aug-2009
[3824x4]
The biggest failing with Altme is the lack of a distributed server.
That will also be an issue with the R3 chat.
If we don't make sure we have a robust backend .. it doesn't matter 
what the front looks like, we will hit issues.
The other issue is the need to maintain a continuous tcp connection 
to the altme server.  That is a major source of issues.
Pekr
31-Aug-2009
[3828]
not sure how Robust R3 chat is. After all - it is just one of possible 
architectures. It is true that I doubt it is much advanced. It is 
good for Chat, even threading, moving threads here or there, ranking, 
etc., but we are imo not following latest developments of distributed 
apps. Some few years ago I read something about Cademlia etc. protocols, 
but not sure what it is all about. OTOH - look at Altme - it is running 
for years. And if its back-end would be DB based, it would be enough 
for a long time probably.
Graham
31-Aug-2009
[3829x8]
I saw a similar issue with playsite when I used to play games online. 
 Kept on being booted due to crappy internet connections or
Maybe we can shift to using Amazon's SDB .. they allow you to store 
millions of records for no charge
Messages can be sent using the SQS once someone has committed a new 
message to the store.
This gives us a backend, search, threading, no centralised server 
requirements, no particular person needing to host a server.
You can build a front end using a browser client or a View client.
And you can use https if you wish too.
I thought about using an IRC server but again this is a single point 
of failure.
Too ambitious??
Graham
1-Sep-2009
[3837]
Unable to connect for the last hour ...
Gregg
1-Sep-2009
[3838]
I haven't been on consistently for a while, so I haven't noticed 
outages, but nothing is too ambitious for you Graham. :-)
Graham
1-Sep-2009
[3839x6]
ambition, and the ability to fufill are two different matters :(
The only issue that I can see is that there is apparently no anonymous 
access to SDB.
which means that again I will need another daemon to act as the proxy 
to the SDB.
Still losing messages :(
disconnected this time ... here and R3beta
Looks like Altme is not usable today ...
Pekr
29-Sep-2009
[3845x2]
Do you think it would make sense to implement few AltME enhancements, 
which would not alter its messaging layer, but could help to make 
our lifes easier? Some few months ago I contacted Carl, and he was 
willing to post particular code sections for related areas. I read 
also some 2005 list, and picking from (apparently easy to fix) bugs/enhancements:

- DeRED - mark everything read
- fix URL display bug
- fix proxy
- fix msg loss during reconnect .... (might be more complex)


I just don't know, if it is good to bother Carl with those issues 
right now, when R3 is heading towards beta and we need to concentrate 
on it ...
But - at least above 3 suggestions, might make better usability impression 
for many ...
Henrik
29-Sep-2009
[3847]
it would be a good idea if he gets time to publish that part of the 
code.
Graham
29-Sep-2009
[3848]
fix msg loss ... just put the msg into clipboard before posting
amacleod
30-Sep-2009
[3849]
For moderartion purposes is it possible/safe to delete messages from 
a group in an Altme World?
Sunanda
30-Sep-2009
[3850]
Moderators currently have no ability to do that.
 

REBOL.org can blank posts on its archive, if requested with a good 
reason:
http://www.rebol.org/aga-groups-index.r?world=r3wp
Paul
30-Sep-2009
[3851]
Google Wave - is Altme in the browser.
amacleod
30-Sep-2009
[3852x2]
These guys have been working on this for two years! WIth google resources? 
I guess ity takes a long time to make these thypes of apps when you 
are wedging technology not really ment to do it.

I'm not that impressed...(18 min. in to preseentation anyway...
lots of bugs...makes me feel better about the bugs I find in my app
Pekr
1-Oct-2009
[3854]
Altissimo is Altme2. G Wave is just vapor as anything else, unless 
released. Google just knows, how to hype the stuff ...
Izkata
1-Oct-2009
[3855x2]
Google Wave has been released
http://lifehacker.com/5371491/give-out-and-receive-your-google-wave-invitations-here
Pekr
1-Oct-2009
[3857x2]
So - another hype from overhyped company happens :-)
= if you don't use iPone and Chrome as your browser, you are not 
modern and trendy :-)